Introduction;It has become customary for Christians to affirm that the "crucifixion of Jesus is a truth proven by historical facts," however, these "historical facts" presented are the stories foundin the New Testament. Brothers and sisters i had posted this before but only concluded some information, this time round there is allot more INFO INCLUDED, please read and share this, there is so much evidence in this post that the crucifixion never took place and hope In Shaa Allah (God willing) everyone spreads this, so that it may get to the right people. Jazaka Allahu ghairan.
Let's be clear: the biblical accounts of the crucifixion have no historical value, for several reasons:
On the one hand it is stories of people showing their faith and not for people with back reporting and objective history.
None of these authors was an eyewitness of the crucifixion.
The choice of book to appear in the bible was carried out under the orders of the Roman pagan-Christian Church, the latter choice was dictated by his beliefs and not by examining the chain of transmission and authenticity stories as did the Muslims to the words (hadiths) of the Prophet Muhammad pbuh (indeed there is no authentic chain of transmission from Jesus in the 4th century, which dates the first complete manuscript of the Bible) .
In his book "The Nazarene, or Christianity Jews, Gentiles and Mohammedans. "John Toland states the following (page 32, chapter 6):
"You can not help but cry out against the ignorance of those who think that this story of the death of Jesus is originally the invention of mahommedens. The Bazilidiens the beginning of Christianity denied that Jesus Christ had suffered death itself: they said that Simon of Cyrene was crucified in his place, Carpocratians who followed not to mention others who believed that Jesus Christ had been an ordinary man, believed it likewise had not been crucified, but one of his disciples who resembled him. '
He continues:
"In ecclesiastical history, Epiphanius tells us that he read a book called" the journey of the Apostles "containing the acts of stone, John, Andrew, Thomas and Paul, between several things we read the following: "THE Christ was never crucified, but another in his place, that by this means he had mocked those who imagined they had crucified him" some one suggested that it was Judas who was crucified in his place. The fact that Jesus Christ was mocked Jews, is also affirmed by the Bazilidiens, as can be seen in the passage just quoted from Epiphanius. '
To date, the latest archaeological finds including Naga Hammadi manuscripts found to have provided evidence that many of the early Christians did not believe war in the crucifixion of Jesus Christ and had the same belief affirmed Koran speaks: "THAT WAS A LOOKING FALSE "cs manuscripts are remarkably representative of the first Christian literature, they have not been subject to any revision since the date of writing.
Some manuscripts confirming that the early Christians did not believe all that Jesus was crucified:
Acts of John.
(English).
Excerpts: "Speech of John: Christ reveals to him the cross of light and mystery 97. Beloved, after the Lord had done this dance, he went with us. And we, as victims of delusion or sleep, we took the flight, each in turn. For me, when I saw him suffer, I did not attend either his suffering, but I fled to the Mount of Olives, weeping because of what had happened. When he was suspended on Friday at the sixth hour there was darkness over all the earth, and my Lord stood in the middle of the cave, he brightened and said, John, to the crowd below, Jerusalem, I am crucified, I am bitten by lances and reeds, I am overwhelmed with vinegar and gall. But I'll talk to you, and what I say, listen to it. It is I who gave you the idea to climb this mountain to listen to what you need to learn a disciple of his master and a man of his God ... (Jesus continues) .. this is not the wooden cross that you'll see when you get down here. I am not one who is on the cross, I now can not you see, but you only hear the voice. I was considered for what I am not, is not what I am to the multitude more, what they say about me is vile and unworthy of me. Indeed, since the resting place can not be seen or described, much more so, I am the Lord of this place, I can not be seen or ... (Jesus continued) .. 101. So, I have suffered no suffering they will lend me. Moreover, this pain that I've shown you and others dancing, I want it to be called "mystery." For what you are, you see, I have shown you. But what I am, I alone know, and nobody else. This is my own, let me in possession, and what you own, see it through me. As to see what I really am, I said that was not possible, except that you can know as a parent. You hear that I suffered, or I did not suffer, I did not suffer, or I suffered, I was pierced, yet I have not been hit, that j ' have been suspended, or I have not been suspended, that blood flowed from me, or he did not elapsed. In a nutshell, what these people say about me, I have not suffered, and that they do not say is what I suffered. What it is, I'll tell you in a veiled way, because I know you will understand. Understand me then capture as the Logos, the Logos piercing, blood Logos, Logos injury hanging Logos, Logos of suffering, nailing Logos, Logos death. And, having made a place for man, and I will speak: first, therefore understand the Logos, then you will understand”
Second Treatise of the Great Seth:
(French). Excerpts: "And I was in the lions' mouths. As for the plan they hatched against me for the destruction of their error and their folly, I have not fought against them as they had deliberated. Instead, I was not distressed. I was chastised those, and I'm dead, not really but apparently because they outrages inflicted on me remained far from Me. I threw away the shame from me and I do not faint before me that was inflicted their hands. I was going to succumb to fear.
And I have in their eyes and in their minds so they never find no word to say about it. Indeed, this death of mine and he think they arrived for them in their error and blindness, since they nailed their man for their own death. Their thoughts indeed did not see me because they were deaf and blind, but in doing so, they condemned themselves.
They saw me, they would have inflicted punishment. It was another, their father. Those who drank the gall and vinegar, it was not me. They flogged me with the reed. It was another one who carried the cross on his shoulder, it was Simon. It was another who received the crown of thorns. As for me, I rejoiced in height, over the entire domain and that belongs to the rulers over the seed of their error, their vainglory and I laughed at their ignorance. And I reduced to slavery all their powers. In fact, when I went down, no one saw me because I transformed myself, exchanging for another look, and thanks to this, when I was down, I took their appearance. Indeed, I easily crossed and I saw the scene, and I felt neither fear nor shame, because I was immaculate. And I talked to them, mingling with them through the mine, and trampling on their hardness and their jealousy and their flame extinguished. All this I did by my will, to accomplish what I wanted in the will of the Father on high. '
Coptic Apocalypse of Peter
(English). Presentation: This is a vision of the crucifixion enough malconnue among Christians today: a Jesus Interior over the cross with Jesus' fleshly envelope is Simon of Cyrene (according to this doctrine, which has been crucified is Simon of Cyrene, Simon and Jesus having exchanged their traits). Excerpts: "And I said," what I see, sir, is what they take yourself ..... or is it happy and laughing on the tree? Another and whose feet and hands are beaten? "....... the Savior said," that you saw on the tree, glad and laughing, this is the living Jesus., but this one which is nailed hands and feet and carnal part which is a substitute put to shame, who has come is its seeming, and I look at him
“Rabbi, I (James) have found you! I have heard of your sufferings, which you endured. And I have been much distressed. My compassion you know. Therefore, on reflection, I was wishing that I would not see this people. They must be judged for these things that they have done. For these things that they have done are contrary to what is fitting.” Jesus replied “…James, do not be concerned for me or for this people…” “…NEVER HAVE I SUFFERED IN ANY WAY , nor have I been distressed. And this people have done me no harm…” [The (First) Apocalypse of James]
and this
“When the soldiers with Judas drew near to the place where Jesus was, Jesus heard the approach of many people, wherefore in fear he withdrew into the house. And the eleven were sleeping. Then God, seeing the danger of his servant, commanded Gabriel;, Michael;, Rafael;, and Uriel, his ministers, to take Jesus out of the world. The holy angels came and took Jesus out by the window that looks toward the South. They bare him and placed him in the third heaven in the company of angels blessing God for evermore.“Judas entered impetuously before all into the chamber whence Jesus had been taken up. And the disciples were sleeping. Whereupon the wonderful God acted wonderfully, insomuch that Judas was so changed in speech and in face to be like Jesus that we believed him to be Jesus. And he, having awakened us, was seeking where the Master was. Whereupon we marveled, and answered: You, Lord, are our master; have you now forgotten us?And he, smiling, said: Now are you foolish that know not me to be Judas Iscariot! And as he was saying this the soldiery entered, and laid their hands upon Judas, because he was in every way like to Jesus. We having heard Judas’ saying, and seeing the multitude of soldiers, fled as beside ourselves. And John, who was wrapped in a linen cloth, awoke and fled, and when a soldier seized him by the linen cloth he left the linen cloth and fled naked. For God heard the prayer of Jesus, and saved the eleven from evil.” [Gospel of Barnabas]
and this
“You (Judas) will sacrifice the man that clothes me (Jesus).” [Gospel of Judas]
Evidence in the book of Barnabas--->
The basic tenet of the Gospel of Barnabas is that when Judas Iscariot led the soldiers into the Garden of Gethsemane to arrest Jesus and bring him to trial, the appearance of Judas was miraculously changed, and Jesus ascended into heaven. With Jesus safe in heaven, Judas took on the appearance of Jesus Christ. According to this source, Jesus was never arrested, was never tried, and was never crucified. Instead, it was Judas, the traitorous disciple, who was arrested, tried, whipped, mocked, and crucified. The relevant portions of the Gospel of Barnabas are quoted below.
When the soldiers with Judas drew near to the place where Jesus was... God, seeing the danger of His servant, commanded Gabriel, Michael, Rafael, and Uriel, His ministers, to take Jesus out of the world. The holy angels came and took Jesus ... and placed him in the third heaven in the company of angels blessing God for ever¬ more Judas was so changed in speech and in face to be like Jesus the soldiery entered, and laid their hands upon Judas, because he was in every way like to Jesus... The soldiers took Judas and bound him, not without derision... Then the soldiers lost their patience, and with blows and kicks they began to flout Judas, and they led him with fury into Jerusalem…(Gospel of Barnabas 215-217. In Ragg L, Ragg L, 1974)
In Jerusalem, Judas was variously questioned by the Jewish high priests and Sanhedrin, by Pontius Pilate, (who is identified as being a secret follower of Jesus), and by Herod the tetrarch. Judas kept arguing in vain that he was not Jesus, but Judas. Arriving back before Pilate for the second time, Judas was whipped, clad in an old purple garment, crowned with thoms, and mocked. Finally, Pilate condemned Judas to death by crucifixion, assigning him to be crucified with two robbers. (Gospel of Barnabas 217. In Ragg L, Ragg L 1974)
So they led him to Mount Calvary, where they used to hang male¬factors, and there they crucified him naked, for the greater ignominy. Judas truly did nothing else but cry out: "God, why hast thou forsaken me, seeing the malefactor hath escaped and I die unjustly?" Verily I say that the voice, the face, and the person of Judas were so like to Jesus, that his disciples and believers entirely believed that he was Jesus; wherefore some departed from the doctrine of Jesus... for Jesus had said that he should not die till near the end of the world; for that at that time he should be taken away from the world.
But they that stood firm in the doctrine of Jesus were so encompassed with sorrow, seeing him die who was entirely like to Jesus, that they remembered not what Jesus had said... Those disciples who did not fear God went by night (and) stole the body of Judas and hid it, spreading a report that Jesus was risen again; whence great confusion arose. (Gospel of Barnabas 217-218)Post crucifixion, the angels transported Jesus back to earth from the third level of heaven, in order that Jesus might make an appearance to his mother and her two sisters, to Martha, Mary Magdalene, and Lazarus, and to John, James, Peter, and Barnabas. A later appearance was then made to the seven (of the 12?) "faithful disciples", Nicodemus and Joseph (of Arimathea?). Finally, Jesus again ascended into heaven, with this ascension being witnessed by 47 of the greater 72 disciples. (Gospel of Barnabas 219-221. In Ragg L, Ragg L 1974)
ConclusionWhile the shakiness of the provenance of the Gospel of Barnabas must be noted, this book does clearly state that Judas Iscariot was the one crucified in place of Jesus Christ. As such, the Gospel of Barnabas supports the Quranic account of the crucifixion, while refuting the orthodox Christian position.
Wherefore he did not himself suffer death, but Simon, a certain man of Cyrene, being compelled, bore the cross in his stead; so that this latter being transfigured by him, that he might be thought to be Jesus, was crucified, THROUGH IGNORANCE AND ERROR, while Jesus himself received the form of Simon, and, STANDING BY, LAUGHED AT THEM. For since he was an incorporeal power, and the Nous (mind) of the unborn father, HE TRANSFIGURED HIMSELF AS HE PLEASED, and thus ascended to him WHO HAD SENT HIM, deriding them, inasmuch as he could not be laid hold of, and was invisible to all. Those, then, who know these things have been freed from the principalities who formed the world; so that it is not incumbent on us to confess him who was crucified, but him who came in the form of a man, and was thought to be crucified, and was called Jesus, and was sent by the Father.(The Church Father Iranaeus, Against Heresies, Chapter XXIV.-Doctrines of Saturninus and Basilides)
Notice how Iranaeus says “through ignorance and error” the Jews misapprehended, and crucified the wrong person. Amazingly, the Holy Quran harmonizes this account, stating that they follow error, conjecture, and ignorance:
That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein ARE FULL OF DOUBTS, WITH NO (CERTAIN) KNOWLEDGE, BUT ONLY CONJECTURE TO FOLLOW, for of a surety they killed him not: (Al-Quran 4:157)
The apostolic fathersThe apostolic fathers frequently noted that there were "heretical" sects (i.e., Christian sects, which did not agree with the particular dogma being espoused by the apostolic father in question), which taught that the "passion" or suffering of Jesus on the cross was untrue and/or illusory. In that regard, such references are found in the writings of Ignatius, Polycarp, Justin, Irenaeus, Tertullian, and Hippolytus. Together, these apostolic fathers form a veritable Who's Who of the early Christian churches:
1 - Pagels E, 1979 - Canonized as a saint by the Roman Catholic Church, Ignatius or Ignatius The Ophoros was the bishop of Antioch (Syria). In 107 or 108, Ignatius was arrested by the Romans, and transported to Rome. Between that time and his death around 110, Ignatius wrote a series of letters in which he attacked the proposition that Jesus' suffering and death were an illusion.
2 - Beiler JG,1998 - Canonized as a saint by the Roman Catholic Church, Polycarp was a 2nd century bishop of Smyrna. His writings included Letter to the Philippians, in which he vigorously attacked the argument that Christ's suffering and death were illusory.
3 - Trypho, 1998 - Canonized as a saint by the Roman Catholic Church, Irenaeus was the late 2nd century bishop of Lyon. Irenaeus is best remembered for his five-volume Adversus Haereses, which was basically an attack against Christian Gnosticism.
4 - Wilkin RL, 1998 - Canonized as a saint by the Roman Catholic Church, Hippolytus was born around 170 and died around 235. He was a Christian martyr, and was the first anti-pope. He is remembered for his voluminous writings against heresies, including Philosphunrena.1998
A particular example may be of interestIn his Trallians, Ignatius, the bishop of Antioch (who died around 110, and who wrote during the first decade of the second century), was quite eloquent in his attack against the early Christians who denied that the crucifixion of Jesus was anything more than an illusion. The following quotation from Ignatius is directly to the point:
“But if, as some say...(his suffering was only an appearance), then why am I a prisoner, and why do I long to fight with the wild beasts? In that case, I am dying in vain." (Ignatius: Trallians 10:1)
Evidence in Seth--->
The presentation of the crucifixion in Seth is reported in the reputed words of Jesus, who is the speaker in the passage quoted below. The passage clearly states that Jesus died only in appearance, and that it was someone other than Jesus who was nailed to the cross, who drank the gall and vinegar, and who wore the crown of thorns. Throughout this whole procedure, Jesus was miraculously altering his form or physical appearance at will, and was witnessing the entire series of events.
(In the following passage from Seth, italics have been added by the present author to highlight relevant issues.)
“And the plan which they devised about me to release their error and their senselessness-I did not succumb to them as they had planned. But I was not afflicted at all. Those who were there punished me. And I did not die in reality but in appearance, lest I be put to shame by them because these are my kinsfolk... For my death which they think happened, (happened) to them in their error and blindness, since they nailed their man unto their death .. .for they were deaf and blind... Yes, they saw me; they punished me. It was another; their father; who drank the gall and the vinegar; it was not l. They struck me with the reed; it was another; Simon, who bore the cross on his shoulder. It was another upon whom they placed the crown of thoms... And I was laughing at their ignorance... For I was altering my shapes, changing from form to form.” (The Second Treatise of the Great Seth 55:10-20,30-35; 56:1-13)
ConclusionOnce again, the message is clear. While Jesus Christ appeared to be crucified, this was mere illusory appearance. In reality, Jesus was not crucified. Rather, it was Simon who was crucified in substitution for Jesus Details of this appear later on in the chapter.) In short, Seth clearly rejects the concept of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, being thus consistent with the Quranic presentation of the crucifixion. Once again, the traditional Christian orthodoxy is out rightly rejected by an early Christian text.
Acts of John, ProvenanceThe Acts o f John is found in a solitary Greek manuscript from Vienna unearthed in 1897, but there is a notation which states that the manuscript may have been the work of a scribe who lived in 1324. However, its provenance does not stop there. The Acts of John was condemned as heretical at the Second Nicene Council of 787, indicating its existence in the eighth century. Moreover, Augustine quoted a fragment from it in a letter written in the fifth century. The quotation from Augustine matches the manuscript of 1897, establishing that the Acts of John found in 1897 is the same book that was in circulation in the fifth century. However, literary analysis suggests a composition date in the first half of the second century.(Cameron R, 1982)
Evidence Acts of John--->
The passage quoted below from the Acts of John takes place after the supposed arrest of Jesus. The author of the manuscript claims to be a disciple of Jesus Christ, i.e. John, the son of Zebedee.(Since the account is written in the first person, the reader is to assume that the first person pronoun refers to John, unless it is part of a statement enclosed in quotation marks, in which case it refers to Jesus, who is talking to John.)
John narrates in the quotation that follows, how he and the rest of the disciples scattered and fled near the time of crucifixion, and how he had sought refuge by hiding in a cave on the Mount of Olives. While hiding in the cave, Jesus appeared to him during the time of the crucifixion, and explained to John that the crucifixion was illusory, and that Jesus was not the one being crucified. While explaining this to John, Jesus reminds him of a symbolic dance, which Jesus allegedly had performed with his disciples earlier, to predict and depict the illusory crucifixion event that was to take place later. Jesus categorically states to John that he is suffering none of the things that will later be said about him, e.g. that he was pierced with a lance and wounded, that he was hung on the cross, that blood flowed from him, etc., (In the passage quoted below, italics have been added by the present author to highlight relevant statements.
And we were like men amazed or fast asleep, and we fled this way and that. And so I saw him suffer, and did not wait by his suffering, but fled to the Mount of Olives, and wept at what had come to pass. And when he was hung (upon the Cross) on Friday, at the sixth hour of the day there came a darkness over the whole earth. And my Lord stood in the middle of the cave and gave light to it and said, "John, for the people below in Jerusalem I am being crucified and pierced with lances and reeds, and given vinegar and gall to drink. But to you I am speaking and listen to what I speak ... " And when he had said this he showed me a Cross of Light firmly fixed, and around the Cross a great crowd, which had no single form; and in it (the Cross) was one form and the same likeness. And I saw the Lord himself above the Cross..."this is not that wooden Cross which you shall see when you go down from here; nor am I the (man) who is on the Cross.
(I) whom now you do not see but only hear (my) voice. I was taken to be what I am not, I who am not what for many others I was; but what they will say of me is mean and unworthy of me... So then I suffered none of those things which they will say of me; even that suffering which I showed to you and to the rest in my dance, I will that it be called a mystery... You hear that I suffered, yet I suffered not; and that I suffered not, yet I did suffer; and that I was pierced, yet I was not wounded; that I was hanged, yet I was not hanged; that blood flowed from me, yet it did not flow; and, in a word, that what they say of me, I did not endure, but what they do not say, those things I did suffer ...” (Acts of John 97-99,101. In Cameron R, 1982)
ConclusionThe Gnostic flavour of this passage from the Acts of John may be confusing for some readers. However, the relevant verses leave no doubt that the crucifixion of Jesus was only an illusion. Once again, an apocryphal writing of early Christianity totally refutes traditional Christian orthodoxy about the crucifixion event, and is consistent with the Quranic position on that issue.
We can finish of now Alhamdulillah Allahu Akbar (God is great) that from all the evidence above the Crucifixion never took place it was an illusion it was made to appear just as this verse below says it beautifully--->
That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein ARE FULL OF DOUBTS, WITH NO (CERTAIN) KNOWLEDGE, BUT ONLY CONJECTURE TO FOLLOW, for of a surety they killed him not: (Al-Quran 4:157)
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